Top 10 Smashing Pumpkins Solos

I’m moving some stuff around and I found these files I used for one of my old podcasts, which might be the only coherent thing to come out of them. I don’t think I even played the solos in the podcast itself I just put a link to the file directory that is now deleted because why use up valuable podcast on music when you can fill it with hating on ridiculous things Billy Corgan has said?

Here’s a recent article that I’m not going to tear apart line-by-line of what I agree with and what I don’t. (At least, I’m not going to share that with you; I’ve just deleted several paragraphs.) As far as lead guitarist/frontmen who fire their entire bands go, Corgan is no Dave Mustaine. By which I mean, I agree with him on some things. His ego is pretty astounding, but he’s not a total dick about it. I think people who get genuinely mad at him miss his repeated references to a deep love of professional wrestling banter. Buncha jabronies if you ask me.

Anyway, I feel like Corgan is not taken seriously enough just as a guitar player. Doesn’t Kurt Cobain beat him in every top guitarist list? It’s absurd. To metalheads, his band is not metal enough to really matter. To non-metalheads, guitar solos don’t really matter. Not to go down the road Corgan himself travels of trying to paint one the most successful bands of the last 20 years as some kind of victim of unfairly not be even more loved, but I think some people jumped on the anti-Pumpkins bandwagon without even checking where it was headed: Beardsville. Except it’s not really called “Beardsville”, there’s just a sign there with a strikingly crafted cartoon of a beard on it and you either know it or you don’t. And uh, I dunno I like it if you like it, I guess. Nobody can really tell you what’s in there but there’s one thing there isn’t. Guitar solos. Fucking guitar solos. Don’t you fucking hate fucking guitar solos?

Maybe you don’t. That’s all I’m saying.

[The editing could have been a little tighter, but I’m not redoing these things. BONUS: this new media player I just installed allows multiple tracks at once, so let em all go and see how that treats you.]

  1. Soma

    Corgan is an emotional player not a technician and this gets counted as a strike against him. The guitar is really his voice more than his singing, or at least it’s his most effective. A lot of people can’t get past his vocals but I think they’re missing out. (Ironically, the same dealbreaker most people have for metal bands.)

  2. Quiet

    This one beats Churub Rock by a mile. Everything before this on the album is basically just the intro to this solo. When he goes up the octave on the last riff it kills me the most.

  3. Zero

    This is clearly two guitars so I like to think of it as a duet with James Iha. Corgan is a notorious perpetrator of unnecessary multi-tracking and re-recording his own bandmates parts—or so he would have us believe. I personally feel the decline in quality after the lineup changed is not a coincidence.

  4. Tales of a Scorched Earth

    Pushing the limits in the definition; at their heaviest, further out than most metal bands at this point. I think Iha deserves some credit on this one as well but who knows.

  5. X.Y.U.

    More sheer insanity. However crazy it gets Corgan never really leaves the tonal center of the song. I would have a hard time making a top 10 solos list for Slayer or Sonic Youth. I like the role the solo plays here; at the end of the song, it’s not the emotional peak but a breakdown. There’s no where to go but sideways.

  6. Geek USA

    The most metal of SP solos.

  7. Hummer

    Maybe it’s the harmonizer that gets me.

  8. Plume

    A bit noodly, but awesome use of phaser fx make it a classic.

  9. The Aeroplane Flies High

    I like how this solo rises out of the riff like a lava man. It goes on straight through a whole chorus that I didn’t want to include. You get the idea. This drop-C riff is godlike, maybe their best heavy riff.

  10. Starla

    Almost it’s own song. He can go one for quite a while. I could have included the feedback/drone thing from the long version of Drown which is pretty great in my book but most serious guitar players hate that kind of thing and it ruins my thesis that the Pumpkins had some serious guitar stuff going on, at least in the mid-90s. They can be taken at least as seriously as…Dokken. Right?
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AOA vs. AOA


AOA (Ace of Angels) is a new K-pop group. It was also a Boredoms side project mostly of drummer E-DA and bassist Hilah circa late 90s-early 00s. It also featured sometime Pizzicato Five guitarist Bravo Komatsu.

Just telling you.

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フィナルFriday~8月31日 

So it turns out

  • the RSS feed

    for this blog doesn’t preserve list formatting. Can’t do much about that, except not start out

  • posts as a list

    …I like this format, but I’ve got to to think about the RSS readers, who probably don’t even click through most times. I could just stop truncating the posts, but then I gotta click on the settings, two more clicks to get to feed settings and another click to change it. I’m exhausted just thinking about it. You know how it is.

  • One of the dogs I watch died

    0718081549b

    RIP Flounder

    Old age pretty much. That’s him a few years ago. I need a real job.

  • Flickr

    Flickr lets you pay quarterly now, so I got the whole thing up again, including the postcards. Hold on tho, aren’t some of my postcards Yayoi Kusuma ripoffs? Hm. I think it was a coincidence at first, maybe we both have a similar nervous condition. It’s just something I’ve done since I was a kid and I started doing it on postcards, just the black on white dots. Then I saw her stuff and figured I should mix it up a bit and I did the layers of colors. Now it seems she also did that, but it was years after I did. Her’s are 5 ft across tho. She wins. This raises the question how far the artist is willing to go for their art. I’m willing to live with my parents for a few years and no more; she lives full-time in a mental hospital. I’m not competing with that.

  • 2003-2005, Part Deux

    Man, what happened in 2005 that postcards didn’t seem that interesting anymore? Oh right, Youtube. That’s what I remembered with that note. I wasn’t buying much J-music after P5 broke up. There were still a few rock bands I liked, but I had no idea what was going on in Japan anymore. Lately it seems there’s not as much good stuff coming out if you compare it to around 2005, but really it wasn’t more stuff then, you were just hearing about it all at once. Those first Halcali videos, for example, were already two years old when we saw them. Most of those Hello Project videos were even older. Of course following the stuff in real time was going to be a disappointment.

  • It Matters What You Are Like

    I keep running into the quote from High Fidelity, “it’s not what you’re like, but what you like that really matters” lately. Nerdist Chris Hardwick argues in favor, writer and bibliophile Kristopher Jansma argues against. I probably like more of the same things that Hardwick likes, yet Jansma is clearly smarter. Which side to choose? Over the years I’ve found basing friendships on matching interest lists to be a complete disaster. I think the way you like things matters more than what those things are at this point. Unless the things you like are Republicans and racism. There’s no good way to like those things. Also child molestation. Can’t like that. That’s a dealbreaker. Lotta things you can’t like, ok.

  • “Third Culture”

    So I just threw this term out there last month without much context. It’s not really used that widely I guess and you get a few different meaning when you google it. Like this one:

    In 1959 C.P. Snow published a book titled The Two Cultures. On the one hand, there were the literary intellectuals; on the other, the scientists. He noted with incredulity that during the 1930s the literary intellectuals, while no one was looking, took to referring to themselves as “the intellectuals,” as though there were no others. This new definition by the “men of letters” excluded scientists such as the astronomer Edwin Hubble, the mathematician John von Neumann, the cyberneticist Norbert Wiener, and the physicists Albert Einstein, Niels Bohr, and Werner Heisenberg.

    How did the literary intellectuals get away with it? First, people in the sciences did not make an effective case for the implications of their work. Second, while many eminent scientists, notably Arthur Eddington and James Jeans, also wrote books for a general audience, their works were ignored by the self-proclaimed intellectuals, and the value and importance of the ideas presented remained invisible as an intellectual activity, because science was not a subject for the reigning journals and magazines.

    In a second edition of The Two Cultures, published in 1963, Snow added a new essay, “The Two Cultures: A Second Look,” in which he optimistically suggested that a new culture, a “third culture,” would emerge and close the communications gap between the literary intellectuals and the scientists. In Snow’s third culture, the literary intellectuals would be on speaking terms with the scientists. Although I borrow Snow’s phrase, it does not describe the third culture he predicted. Literary intellectuals are not communicating with scientists. Scientists are communicating directly with the general public. Traditional intellectual media played a vertical game: journalists wrote up and professors wrote down. Today, third-culture thinkers tend to avoid the middleman and endeavor to express their deepest thoughts in a manner accessible to the intelligent reading public.

    If you thought that’s what I was talking about, wow, you’re giving me way too much credit. That’s form this article by John Brockman. This is a great concept which is why I’m quoting it, but I’m trying to place myself on an accurate intellectual scale. If a pseudo-intellectual is 1 that thinks he’s a 10, I’m think I’m a legit 2 or 3. I’m smart enough to appreciate the value of people smarter than me but not much smarter than that. I could go back to school for English Lit. or Science and raise my number, but I’m going in a different direction with this Third Culture thing.

    So, I first heard this term from Momus:

    …Tokyo as a mecca for a certain kind of international creative, as a place where a sort of “third culture”, a blend of East and West…

    Simply explained. It’s also used in Utada’s bio:

    She is a third culture singer, composer, arranger, and record producer in Japan and United States.

    They just dropped that in there like it’s totally normal thing to say, didn’t they? Seems like the same meaning as well. Momus almost seems like he’s inventing it, but when I saw the Utada bio, I figured it’s a normal term for something I’ve been into a long time, like it would include most things covered by Giant Robot. I started using it, but I think I won’t anymore.

    “Third Culture” as the Utada bio uses it really comes from “Third Culture Kid”, which is not really an East/West thing, it’s much broader. Latino-Americans could belong in the classification as much as Asian-Americans, or any hyphenated person. This definition depends on circumstance more than intentional mixing of cultures. Most large American cities have a Third Culture population. Tokyo is just one specific type of it. By Momo’s definition, any J-pop singer is part of a third culture (altho he would be very selective about which of them to mention, he probably doesn’t think much of Utada’s music). But Hikki was born in America. She’s authentically both American and Japanese but also somewhat not 100% either. That’s Third Culture. This is what I’m relating to. It’s not really about wanting to a “part” of “it”, but more a way things worked out already and I just want to go with it. I’d like to be around people who just get it.

  • They Shooting/Crazy friends

    For the record, I’m not in favor of mass shootings. I don’t care how unpopular it makes me. Back when I was in college I ran into one of my “crazy friends” from high school. I don’t use the term lightly. I have a few friends from high school days still, but the rest of them I don’t really talk about much. This person was really excited to see me. “Did you hear the good news?” Oh no, they’re not like religious now are they? “Um, no, what.”

    “Columbine!”

    I don’t know wtf was said after that, I just tried to finish my retail transaction as quickly as possible and got the hell out there. I was a pretty outspoken fan/creator of some fucked up shit in high school and often wound in the guidance counselor’s office because of it. I got a weird sense of humor. I didn’t have any plans to hurt anybody. Neither did actual members of the “Trench Coat Mafia” apparently. Even Marilyn Manson had some real shit to say about it that made actual sense. Because he’s not a sociopath. Never saw that person again and didn’t want to; I made a serious effort after that not to hang around my old neighborhood.

  • Marc and Tom show

    I got an iPod Touch as a birthday gift. I wanted one just to be able to carry around my Anki decks, but now I have access to the iTunes store. I even had gift cards piling up for years but I’m such an asshole about hating having iTunes on my computer I wouldn’t do it. (I used another computer to get the Anki decks on there…that app is totally worth it btw.) Even tho this show is from May is was still in the back of my mind and was the first thing I went for. (Because I still had a balance after buying the Anki app…I mean $2.99 just to hear these dudes talk for an hour? Just because they’ve supplied countless hours of entertainment for free? Give me fucking break.) Well, I’m glad I did. I think it’s great. They talk about Jersey a lot so maybe your mileage will vary. But there’s a lot of other relevant stuff in there. I just can’t get enough of non-insane people having a real discussion. Literally, it does not happen to me with any frequency and it is destroying me psychologically. Ba-dum-dum.

  • The K-pop

    I’m not going to blog about K-popm but everyone’s talking about this Psy song, I don’t really need to get into it here, (I got into it on the Robot Lounge facebook page, I hate that discussion has moved there; that’s another rant) but I love this version with Hyuna from 4Minute:

    That’s just a good song, man. The male/female tradeoff is very old-school K-pop, I love that. People are comparing the song way too much with LMFAO because the production of the beat is similar but LMFAO are derivative as fuck! Every part of their songs and videos comes from somewhere else. And the choruses are weak. Melody is the content in a pop song. Asian pop never forgets that. Production is the surface. And if you look into the lyrics and all that, it’s all a really complete thing. Lotta levels going on. This guy rules. If I was trying to learn Korean again I would listen to more K-pop. It’s kinda weird it’s getting popular now, it’s like when ska got big.

  • Continuing Music Theory, History & Quantum Performance

    This is a long ass post but I need to keep reminding myself to get back to this notation project I started a couple years ago. I posted a link on tumblr er, reblogged…this is too complicated right?

    Well so was this which leads to this which reminded me of this.

    Then there was this whole article which reminded me about the numerical notation system and it looks like I deleted some of my notes when I set the old tumblr to private. That was a really wonky way of doing that anyway, obviously. I started a new tag here.

    Now I gotta fix that somehow. Maybe after I do some record reviews. Yeah, that’s gotta be more important.

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Maki Nomiya 30th Anniversary

Oh man, remember that Ustream of that promotional event from months ago for the real live event that already happened and you had no chance of attending anyway? Man…those were the days. That’s not happening again. (Because they took the video down.)

I guess I assumed they were bluffing about taking the video down. I didn’t try to figure out anyway to download it or take an audiograb. I took some screencaps, but figured I would go back later and get better ones. That didn’t work out. So I got all my mediocre screencaps and tried giving them captions, but the text started wrapping around all wrong. Attempting to fix it gave me this amusing overlap glitch which only got worse/more amusing. It would be more appropriate if it reminded me of unpredictably overlapping blogs of my youth but sometimes you’ve just got to grit your teeth and deal with something new happening. Here’s the whole mess:
















So that was weird.

My main thought on this is that it contrasts pretty strongly with the attitude of Shonen Knife’s (really Naoko Yamano’s) 30th anniversary. That was more a celebration than a retrospective; the focus is really on the newest or newish material, with a few old songs (in the updated style) thrown in. It’s undoubtedly the healthier attitude to have as an artist still intending to continue putting out new work.

Both SK & P5 (with Maki) peaked around the same time in the mid-90s when they both crossed over onto major labels in America. Any live performance has to include something from that period. But Maki includes almost no post-peak P5 and not anything from her post-P5 solo albums—that’s four full LPs and change. I guess those albums didn’t sell that well, but neither did her early stuff, right?

I remember the original press for P5 and Maki was marketed as an ex-model, not an established singer for other groups. This whole thing stressing her early career seems revisionist. It’s probably more accurate, her modeling career is now relatively a blip. I was never impressed with that first album, and I never heard the songs of the old groups. They sound pretty good here, I gotta go back and check that stuff out for the songs. Thing is, she was a great singer for P5 and still sounds great, but she wasn’t great early on. Her voice was not there yet. Still, this is good for J-pop history to acknowledge that stuff and if the songs are good, I’m in. It’s similar to pre-Maki P5 in that it’s not quite the thing yet, but the ideas are there.

Still, a lotta time is spent down on the furthest part of Memory Lane. Maybe in another 10 years she’ll come around to her newer (now 10 year old) stuff.

Konishi Yasuharu makes no appearance, of course. Even tho he did do some production on those solo albums so I assume they’re on good terms I suppose performing live together would make it a P5 reunion gig, which he’s probably against. And he’s busy making songs with SMAP…ugh. Two talents going to waste there. I’m not saying that SMAP is so terrible and that covering your old songs is so sad, but it’s kinda terrible and a little sad. After a point.

Anyway, Tokyo’s Coolest Sound has a write-up of the concert itself. You can get most of the info about the musical guests there, except Miyavi didn’t show up. It sounds like it might have been a lot different.And they did this thing where you’re watching her watch old clips of herself. The whole thing was kinda creepy cause there’s a live audience in the studio but it’s only the event staff of like a dozen people. It had a weird tension to it. It’s like a new kind of live event they haven’t quite figured out to feel natural yet. It’s almost like they televised a dress rehearsal, but you’ve got the screen with the chatroom there, that’s like a New Aesthetic vibe. It’s weird, it’s like the acoustics are wrong or something when you just hear a few people clapping. The energy is wrong. Also, she started out with a house version of The Night is Still Young before the guests show up and she is just not that kind of diva. That never really worked for her did it? They tried to push that on some of the records but she’s just a pop singer, she’s not like Lady Miss Keir or something. Nothing against her, it’s just an energy mismatch thing. Really set the tone. The actual performances were good, I should have taken notes as I was capping. I think the old guy is the Pink no Kokoro producer. Is the guy in shorts Bravo? I can’t tell. That’s him is the fuzzy old VCR footage with the cheerleaders. I never saw P5 in concert, I guess it was always a weird thing.

The wait for an encore might be the most awkward I’ve ever felt watching a recorded event on the internet. A dozen people, tops, clapping in pre-planned unison while the chatroom goes berserk. This goes on for a solid 5 minutes at least. Creep city. Not necessary.

[OK, so apparently the Self-Covers album has all the versions of the songs as performed here so I should probably just get that.]


She’s pointing at MEEEEE. Oh! Uh…great show, Miss Maki. So…that’s all I have to say about that.
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Shonen Knife @ Johnny Brenda’s 2012.07.19

I left my last Shonen Knife show feeling a little over-philosophical. My writeup stops right before I walk out the door (naturally), but as I’m going back to my car in the community college parking lot, I roll up my autographed poster and think, “well, I guess that it.” You know, you follow a group for a long time…they get signed to a major and tour stadiums with legends, they have a series of their own tours in large-ish clubs…they never break up…eventually…they’re playing a local school auditorium for 50 people. Probably how they started out. It’s the circle of life or something.

So I’m glad I made this show. (Things have been kinda tight, it was close.) Back at JB’s where I saw them 3 years ago (when I was on blogging hiatus), they were right back in their element, and the usual crowd followed.

I walked in on the middle of Creem Circus‘ set. Visually, they immediately reminded me of kitsch-glam era Redd Kross but now that I think about it, I’m not sure this era of Redd Kross literally existed. They looked like what I thought Redd Kross looked like at some point but possibly never did. (The new Redd Kross record is pretty good, btw.) Sonically, they were were pretty straight up Rock with some really good twin lead stuff going on. Later I find out this is a local band led by Chris DiPinto of DiPinto Guitars. This guy is already a local legend (by name) for his guitar shop so it was cool to see him perform. (I thought he was a much older dude.)

Next was White Mystery. (I should have got pics of the openers but forget the memory card in my camera so I only had a few shots.) They’re a two-piece, kinda like a gender-reversed White Stripes but not so Blues-obsessed, just there to rock. And so they did. Really expected some part of the dude’s drum kit to break at some point and the guitarist is no joke. You’re gonna be seeing more of them if that’s even remotely your thing.

Last time at JB's the openers were Jeff the Brotherhood and (then duo) PO PO, who are both doing pretty well. I don't know if Naoko books the openers, but that some some pretty hip booking. They could be going out there with like, Johnny Poppunk & the Poppunkers, some generic whoever bands, ya know? Probably from switching labels so many times, they can make some more genuine hookups with different-type bands.

I thought I saw PO PO a/k/a Big Zeb (now a solo act) but I suppose that could have been any 6-ft tall long haired Pakistani gentleman. I did see Brian a/k/a Supreme Nothing but didn't get to talk to him. I see a lot of people I recognize at Philly shows, especially SK shows, that I don't talk to. They may or may not have bands or websites. I think I saw someone I knew from MySpace. How do you start that conversation in 2012? You don't. Well, I don't. Most of these people I don't know their names or anything, I just see them again and again. Nobody ever comes up to me and just starts talking (unless they're hustling something) so it's a mutual awkwardness. I don't think I'm recognized beyond being a regular, but I am visible. I have mass. I mean, I'm trying to watch my weight, but you can see me. I exist in physical space is what I'm saying.

Let’s move on… Uh, so Shonen Knife played some songs.

They come out on stage now to the own music, which you think they must get enough of, but there’s Naoko mouthing along to the first song on their new album, Welcome to the Rock Club. (But what does it really mean? You’re not here to think, you’re here to rock.) They launch into Konnichiwa, as they do. “Are you ready to rock?” Yes, of course.

Like, you expect all of this be get kinda old by now. But even if you’re planning to enjoy them 75% (it’s hard to compete with seeing the original lineup, in my mind), they get you all the way there. Ritsuko & Emi have totally won me over. Ritsuko is crazy headbanging everywhere, Emi looks like she winning the lottery at a surprise party with every other cymbal crash. It’s delirious.

They go through the usual stuff, the old crowd favorites like Bear Up Bison and Twist Barbie, some of the newer similar stuff like Pop Tune and Osaka Rock City, and Naoko seems to really like the Rubber Band song (some crowds must get into the chant part, I haven’t seen it) and Banana Chips (not bad songs, but they’ve got better…so many damn songs). And they did Devil House, a personal fave which was a Michie song that Ritsuko sings now. The beginning of BBQ Party almost makes me cry; I manage as the song soon veers into an almost out of control Thrash freak-out. A similar themed song on the new album, All You Can Eat sweetly cautions “not to overeat”, but live they substitute this older tune loudly insisting you PIG OUT PIG OUT PIG OUT. Despite a perceived flip-flop on record, it’s clear where Naoko stand on this issue. And they played some Ramones songs which was not really necessary but hard to argue with. There was some confusion with the setlist that was funny but I guess you had to be there, I’m not transcribing their broken english. Naoko really wants to play those Ramones songs. I used to get more upset of setlist omissions than I do now. They can play whatever. They did the crushing (for them) Cobra vs. Mongoose and then ended with the softer poppy tunes from the new one: there’s the Emi-led Psychedelic Life which I’m not going to question and the Ritsuko-led Sunshine, which is kinda like a Carpenters song that ends in a kind of Beach Boys counterpoint thing at the end they all sing. And they close with Move On which is a bit of a bummer, but then they do an encore of Antonio Baka Guy, which is almost the same song as Cobra vs. Mongoose but no one seemed to mind.

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